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Query by Mr Anonymous on the jockey Srinath article thread:
Mr Gosavi this interview is very good. If nothing else it puts forward very well what can be called minority point of view. But may i ask you a question mr gosavi why are you shying away from giving your own personal opinion of the race? Where is your reading of the derby? I checked last weeks all middays and I have not found anything except the article on monday after the derby.
Dear Mr Anonymous,
I believe in talking BEFORE the event, rather than later, because I strongly believe in William Cowper’s famous quote: “Every fool is wise after the event.”
Another thing I have believed all my life is that what they taught us at school was wrong. They taught us man is a ‘rational’ animal. I beg to differ.
Man is not a rational animal; man is a ‘rationalizing’ animal.
I fancy myself as a writer first and a reporter later. So I am happy to be in a profession where I have to first write my opinion (before the race), and report the quotes and result (after the race). If you have followed my writings over the past two decades, in the rare instances when I wrote against a professional or even the race club, I first put on the table credible proof and only then raised questions.
Now, in the Set Alight case, I will tell you what I said, wrote or expressed as my opinion BEFORE the race:
I was, perhaps, the only one from the media who thought Set Alight was not as great NOW as she was being made out to be. In my preview article in MiD DAY (Advantage Set Alight), I talked about it. She certainly did not have the kind of form on which she built up her reputation last year. In the same article, I also pointed out that she had peaked too early as a three-year-old, and any horse that shows precocious talent of such magnitude is bound to regress in form. I also said her latest performances on the Mahalaxmi track were not exactly sizzling, and that it may turn out to be a close race for her.
However, as a danger to Set Alight, I never looked beyond Autonomy. The only problem I had with Autonomy was his jockey. I have many times made clear that I don’t believe in the adage ‘horses for courses’ as much as I believe in ‘jockeys for courses’. During the pre-Derby press conference I had expressed my apprehensions about Richard Hughes even to trainer Bezan Chenoy in an informal chat. Hughes may be a very good or great rider on his home tracks, but he has always been just about an average rider on the Mahalaxmi track. Worse, the only Derby win he figures in on this track was not won by him for the horse, but rather won by the horse for Hughes. As a rider he made a perfect mess of the situation, and only a courageous horse like Smart Chieftan could have bailed out himself and his rider in the last 50 meters, as he did. On top of it, when Bezan told me that Hughes was going to land here on the morning of D day, I felt now there was perhaps no threat for Set Alight, as I had completely ignored Antonio’s chances. (Mr Meherboon Irani, stock broker, may testify about this discussion if he chooses.)
Another thing. When I first read on Indiarace that Malesh was to ride Set Alight, I immediately called a common friend, Mahendra Mallya, Indiarace correspondent (I did not even have Malesh’s number—this is for those who think I hold a brief on Malesh’s behalf) and told him to ask Malesh to reconsider the decision. “Malesh has nothing to gain and everything to lose,” these were my precise words, “if she wins, it’s all Set Alight & Pesi, but if she loses, it’s going to be only Malesh Narredu—that’s how everybody is going to react.”
Well, Mahendra Mallya is my friend, so the credibility of this incident may be challenged. All right, you may ask Pradumna Singh, senior stipendiary steward of RWITC, to whom I repeated the exact same words when we were discussing Set Alight & Derby two days BEFORE the race.
I even publicly put a question to Pesi Shroff at the pre-derby press conference if he thought Set Alight today was the same filly that won the Bangalore summer derby. I was clearly talking about her form, but Shroff took the question in a lighter vein, and chose to reply: “Well, just before coming here form the stables, I had a good look at her, and to me, she looked the same.” Needless to say, there was a hearty laughter in the audience for that witty reply, but now, with the benefit of hindsight, that was perhaps the only right question asked BEFORE the event.
Now, about my reading of the race, which being a personal opinion, may be open to debate, but I will try to ensure, as is my habit, to talk only of the ‘facts’, as far as possible—so the debate will not degenerate into a brawl.
Maybe because the race clocked record time (by the way, n number of races have done that, especially this season, so that’s hardly an important factor, I think), the first ‘instinctive’ reaction of everyone is to blame the jockey for going ‘with the pace’, making assumption that initial pace of a race that breaks course record must be lightning fast.
What if this assumption is WRONG? What if the pace, instead of being lightning fast, was actually very slow for a race like the Derby? I know this might come as a shock to most, but here is the truth.
The initial pace in the Derby was very slow, almost leisurely, and the first six furlongs were clocked in exactly 1:15.05 seconds—you read it right, worse than the time a bottom class field would clock on this track.
Don’t believe it? Okay, here are the timings of ALL the class V races run over 1200m this season until the Derby weekend:
Race# 2: 1:12.39
Race# 10: 1:12.28
Race# 11: 1:13.74
Race# 12: 1:13.85
Race# 38: 1:14.41
Race# 39: 1:13.83
Race# 77: 1:13.62
Race# 78: 1:13.55
Race# 95: 1:14.34
Race# 97: 1:13.81
Race# 108: 1:13.05
Race# 115: 1:14.50
Race# 153: 1:12.95
Race# 164: 1:14.14
Race# 165: 1:15.05
Have a good look at these figures. Ten of the 15 races for bottom class horses on this track have clocked less than 1:14, and the slowest time—now this gets real interesting—is the same as the pace of the grade 1, Indian Derby at the half-way mark!
Now tell me, by any stretch of imagination, can you call it lightning fast?
Very fast?
All right, ……..fast?
See the point?
Okay, looking at the last couple of figures in that list, some may argue that the six furlongs timings were perhaps getting slower as the season progressed. Let’s then blow that myth too.
Let’s look at the track condition that prevailed on the Derby weekend. There were no Class V, 1200m races on the Derby day, but there were two a day before. Now look at those timings:
Race# 181: 1:12.98
Race# 182: 1:12.53
So, whichever way you look at it, the “alleged” fast initial pace, due to which Set Alight’s chances got blown away because Malesh Narredu stalked it, turns out to be an illusion. At best, it was a leisurely pace (a point I made in my MiD DAY column next day, refer “I had a gut feeling..”), and at worst, it was a very slow pace if you judge by the standards of a race like the Indian Derby. Any student of pace handicapping will tell you that the right thing for the jockey to do in a very slow pace is either to be as close to the pace as possible, or get into striking position before the race takes a serious turn. It is ironical Narredu is being crucified for doing precisely that.
Coming back to the latter half of the race, let’s put things in perspective now. Here are split timings of the latter half of the race at various markers:
Marker Pace Set Alight Antonios
1200m 1:15.05 1:15.38 1:15.76
1000m 1:27.09 1:27.61 1:28.03
800m: 1:40.05 1:40.37 1:40.67
600m: 1:52.91 1:52.91 1:53.27
400m: 2:04.80 2:04.80 2:05.25
200m: 2:16.43 2:16.43 2:16.72
WP: 2:28.58 2:28.84 2:28.58
We have seen that the pace was leisurely until halfway; now focus on another interesting fact, from 1200m marker until the 200m marker, Set Alight has taken 61.38 seconds (2:16.43s minus 1:15.05s), which again, on this fast track, cannot be said to be suicidal.
On the Mahalaxmi track, one of the most authentic tests of the physical condition of a horse is its ability to put in a sub-12 (a furlong in under 12 seconds) gallop in at least two of the last four furlongs. And if the horse is classy, like Set Alight, it would easily do three sub-12 numbers in that zone.
With this in mind, let’s go for the pace within the race, and closely inspect the last four furlongs, the most controversial part of the trip as far as Narredu’s ride is concerned, because that’s where he chose to go ahead and lead the pack (between 800 & 600), and then kept going till the 200m marker where Set Alight still looked like a winner, before running out of steam in the last furlong when Antonios made a sitting duck out of her.
8-600 6-400 4-200 200-WP
Set Alight 12.54 11.89 11.63 12.41
Antonios 12.60 11.98 11.47 11.86
It would also be revealing to check Set Alight’s Ruia Cup numbers, and juxtapose them with her Derby numbers: (Her Ruia Cup victory was effortless, in record time, and her own timings at 800m onwards were: 1:14.45, 1:26.23, 1:37.81, 1:48.97, 2:01.15)
Translated to seconds, the comparison looks like this:
8-600 6-400 4-200 200-WP
Set Alight Ruia 11.78 11.58 11.16 12.18 (3 sub-12s, including an exceptional 11.16)
(400m extra) Derby 12.54 11.89 11.63 12.41 (2 sub-12s, found wanting when asked for the 3rd)
It is a matter of conjecture why Set Alight on this occasion, despite racing in leisurely pace, could not produce three sub-12s in the last four furlongs. The reasons, generally, are lack of class, health or stamina.
Since we all know Set Alight is stuffed with class every ounce, it could be either health or stamina.
If it is health, she may not race for a long time now; if it is stamina, we will have to wait for confirmation until she runs 12 furlongs or more against worthy rivals.
I will wait until then before making further comments on this issue.
Special note: It is possible Pesi Shroff too believes Narredu lost the race ‘out of the gates’ only because his belief is based on the perception of a fast pace leading to the record timing. It is possible his belief was further strengthened when one of the race books printed at Bombay last Sunday carried erroneous split timings for the Derby—listing 1:13.02 as half time (1200m) instead of 1:15.05, a difference of over 2 seconds! It may not be just a co-incidence that Shroff, who kept silent through the week, chose to speak about it only after a week. I feel so because knowing Pesi, the last thing he would do is to blame someone else for a horse's failure. My only feeling is he has done it--if at all those are his exact words--because maybe he is misled about the pace scenario of the race. I shall know when I meet him next, and if it must be reported, I will do it in this blog.
Brillant article. A lesson in objective assessment. Keep it up gosavi.
ReplyDeleteTariq
Hard facts and cold figures.
ReplyDeleteHow is the anti malesh brigade going to take it?
Amazing article. Jayesh Mistry
sir can i get true timing of all races form you? i don't mind payment sir. pl reply urgent
ReplyDeleteI am not a regular racer but was there for this derby. I played icebreaker, but my wife played set alight 1000 rs and lost. that was the only bet she made so she was cursing this narredu jockey because eveyone abused him. just now my cousin who took us to derby called just now and asked to check ur site. i am in office now and have taken a print out for my wife. i enjoyed reading it but i don't think i understood everything. But at least my will stop cursing this narredu. i hope.
ReplyDeletedear gosavi sir, I must congradulate you for this wonderful eye-opening article. I owe apology to mallesh narredu for thinking it was becoz of him that set alight lost the race. I am feeling very guilty that we people simply make allegations without waiting to be patient and check our facts correctly. Well done. I have changed my opinion and ask for narredu's forgiveness. Sorry mallesh bhai, thank u sir.
ReplyDeleteDear Sir, what a brilliant insight! I am happy there is someone who can write with such alarming facts. You have created a whole new wave. I am sure those who were gunning for malesh (me included) would shut there mouths. I even request the rwitc stewards to review thier decision and revoke the penalty imposed on Malesh. He deserves it, even if they have to bend some rules. After all, isnt it the belief of the LAW that even if dozens of culprits go unpunished, it is ok....but not ONE innocent person should be convicted!
ReplyDeleteit will be really graceful if the rwitc authorities once again check if there was any substance in Malesh being fined.
Dear Mr Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteI highly appreciate ur knowledge in racing. you are the only person who has swam against the tide and has most probably changed the course of the flow. My circle has a large number of racing fans and we all thought Malesh had hooked the horse.
Now that opinion is completely changed and we all feel for malesh. You blog teaches one important lesson - never to jump to conclusions. Malesh is human after all and how bad he would have felt reading the media reports of so called experts. That BOB Sawhney is the worst of the lot. Action should be taken against the imbecile for projecting a reputed jockey like malesh narredu for this particular ride.
I dont want to say that narredu has the best of records on favorites but i am convinced that this one ride he was innocent.
you got a very soft corner for mallesh. i know that for 20 years. u always defend him. he is your friend. he hooked set alight. and u say i am talking from my pocket? hell with you & mallesh.
ReplyDeleteDear Mr Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteI particulary thank you for this one article. the way you have given facts and figures nobody can argue. I am very happy that someone is truly knowledgeable like you. They must knight you "SIR PRAKASH GOSAVI".
Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteThis is your best effort and it shows, in every analysis, your passion and knowledge for racing and siding with the ultimate truth. There are very few of this creed in today's world. Why go far? Take a look at our own little racing world. The so called racing journalists are....no....were having a field day ripping apart Narredu's hard earned reputation without a care to carefully go through ever little piece of evidence. They just feed the masses with whatever trash that comes to thier minds. Did one so called jounalist had the gumption of even questioning Pesi Shroff on his training methods? There is one clown who writes for the highest selling race book. Look at the derogatory language he writes in his "Z" rated pieces. (I cant call them articles nor can i give him any catogory lower than "Z".) He has the audacity to call a sports person a lunatic? Has even the class to even think about going about the way you have researchhed the Derby race? He has his rights to publish what he thinks, but shouldnt he use some sanity in his writing? and he calls Narredu a lunatic!!!
The MUmbai Mirror (word deleted by moderator) is anohter example. Ever ready to project the Mumbai race course in poor light. The sensational head line he used post Derby has disreputed the already weak sport no end! RWITC can do without such irresponsible and uncouth scribes. (A sentence was struck out by moderator for being abusive) Thw Mumbai Mirror will never sell so it is thrust down our throat with the TOI. Millions would have read the headline. Racing has further lost its image thanks to these harm meaning writers (Rioters?). They can go on shamelessly writing without credence and not even feel the guilt.
You are a refreshing change. I urge you to carry on and keep up your good work. Racing needs jounalists like you as you elk gives hope that all is not lost.
I just read a fellow responder mention that RWITC should revoke the fine imposed on Narredu. If wisdom prevails the authorities should apply the principles of natural justice and re investigate whether Malesh Narredu was indeed guilty and also place on record your findings. If they find that they have been hasty in imposing the fine, they should have the courage to reverse that decision as it would be a very important decision for the innocent jockey. Mr Vivek Jain will need a lot of courage to act thus. And if he does, this will go a long way in declaring that the RWITC is fiarest Club in the country and has the mettle to accept its own mistake and revoke it when wisdom dawned. I am sure they will not be embarrassed at all, in fact everyone will admire them for this unique, but a step in the direction of absolute fairness. This would take enormous guts, but if they do - that would be truly great.
I owned a horse in partnership in Bangalore 8 years ago. Now I am in UK working with Glaxo. But I keep track of racing in India on the web. I was pleasantly surprised to find your blog in google search. I liked it very much. Thank you and all the best.
ReplyDeleteI think you have a point. Everyone knows how she was worked in this heat. That must be the reason why instead of getting fitter, Set Alight must have lot fitness. Quite possible.
ReplyDeleteVery informative article Prakash. However, a bit too long. I think you could have made your case only on one point. Malesh grabbed the lead between 800 and 600, your figures show Set Alight took 12.60 sec to do that, already a very slow fraction comparatively. He obvioulsy couldn't have gone slower than this, could he? And they are blaming him for that. Funny I find it. And let me mention here what I wanted to write on Srinaths article. Not everyone is talking. It is only a small coterie in the media with vested interest against the jockey who are working overtime. And they are not talking through their pockets as Srinath said. They are talking through their ego and ignorance. You have nailed that fact with this article. Good job.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised the anti narredu brigade has not reacted. Mr gosavi are you editing out their commnets or they gone mute? Of course, i wonder what they will anyway have left to say, you hv left them no chance.
ReplyDeleteDear Prakash,
ReplyDeleteFabulous article and kudos to you for putting all your resources in analysing the Derby race and nailing all those who have faulted at the professional integrity of Mallesh.
May your tribe grow in big numbers to educate all of us-vrs
Prakash , good analysis.Timings are just one part of the race ,, is it not ?? I would say factors affecting the timings are crucial.Comparing the Class v race timings to the first 1200 is not a fair thing to do.In the 1200 race the intention is to go to the front and LAST the distance , so timings would be GOOD most of the times.In a 2400 race , the Intention is not to set a blistering pace even if it is a PACE SETTER.
ReplyDeleteSecondly , while comparing the TIMINGS in the second part of the race , Set Alight does come out POORLY.Set Alight was the LOSER as it was seen TIRING ( due to Jockey's early Lapse or the Horse's over preparedness is something which can be discussed )If you take the timings of Riyasat , it came come out better.Only thing was Antonios accelerated in a better fashion.
Lastly the Comparison with the RUIA Gold cup is completely misplaced.Reason being that was a small field and Mccullagh chose to play the waiting game , keeping the horse handy.So when asked for the effort the Horse GALLOPED strongly .In this race , the Horse was Tired and in the front bunch so the SUB 12 secs could not have been achieved.
I still hold the view that the Horse LOST on account of the HEAVY preparation prior to the DERBY. The Trainer and those managing the SHOW on behalf of the owner are to blame for having tries to exploit the filly in a ruthless manner.Mallesh did make a tactical error but i am pretty sure that it did not make a difference to the outcome of the race.
good day,
shyam
Pls watch riding of Mallesh narredu on Diegoriver on Sunday.Did he ride like a champion? Champions dont take shelter behind lame excuses or reasons. statistics or lengthy explanations will not be able to change our perception of what was clearly visible.Even a layman can say that mallesh rode like a apprentice on Diegoriver.Does he deserve this kind of defence? Whatever may be the initial pace of the race,one cannot discount the hard fact that mallesh did show Set alight wind very early thereby ensuring his defeat.
ReplyDeleteShyam, I have as much respect for you as for gosavi because both of you say it as it is. But in this case i will side with gosavi for 3 reasons. 1. gosavi is not comparing the 1200m timings of a class i or ii race, he is comapring of the worst lot and showing that the derby pace was way slower than that, can a duck with the best of intentions (becoz u r talking abt intentions) match the eagle's glide? 2. the derby pace setter's intention is generally set a very fast pace to the best of his ability and get burnt out in the process and drop back to last, and only when it happens the main contenders are justified in staying way off the pace 3. the compariosn with ruia cup is justified becoz in that set alight has given record time pulling up so it sure talks about her health at the time.
ReplyDeleteHwever i completely agree abt your conviction that she was overworked and that's the only reason lost.
I fully agree with this assessment except one sentence "knowing Pesi, the last thing he would do is to blame someone else for a horse's failure."
ReplyDeletecmon gosavi, grow up pleeeazzzzzzze!
prakashji,
ReplyDeletevery intelligently written article.
i agree with all of what you have said.
one thing that bothers me is that comparing 1200 mtr race timings to the first 1200 mtrs timings of a 2400 mtr race, is something i would not do.
my very dear friend and very good handicapper, saif khan, had only one take on set alights defeat, and that is she did not stay the trip as required.
reading the sectional timings from 1200 to home we can safely say that antonios was tracking set alight approximately 2 to 2.5 lengths behind, all the time (the difference in their timings at every 200 mtrs is given below) and to cover that would be easy considering set alight would not stay the distance.
Marker Pace SetAlight Antonios Difference
1200m 1:15.05 1:15.38 1:15.76 = -0.38 sec
1000m 1:27.09 1:27.61 1:28.03 = -0.42 sec
800m: 1:40.05 1:40.37 1.40.67 = -0.30 sec
600m: 1:52.91 1:52.91 1:53.27 = -0.54 sec
400m: 2:04.80 2:04.80 2:05.25 = -0.45 sec
200m: 2:16.43 2:16.43 2:16.72 = -0.29 sec
WP: 2:28.58 2:28.84 2:28.58 = +0.26 sec
antonios has covered the last differencial of 0.45 sec, partially in the last and second last 200 mtrs.
i am personally of the opinion that mallesh is amongst the top 3 riders in this country. and blaming him for the FILLY'S FAILURE is sad.
i firmly beleive pesi the jockey could and would have NOT done better.
the filly did not have it in her and tired out in the last 200 mtrs.
in my opinion there is nothing beyond that to its failure.
pesi knew what he was doing and so was mallesh.
in 1600 to 2000 mtrs there is no horse in india, that can beat set alight.
one request is, if you could confirm with pesi, about giving so much work to set alight.i beleive it is because the filly had issues with being over weight. other than that no trainer worth his salt gives this ammount / kind of work to their wards. maybe i am wrong, but just a gut feeling.
A very long explanation Mr.Gosavi on how Set Alight might have lost if the race is analysed properly.
ReplyDeleteNow what we need is probably someone to do a similar insightful and detailed analysis on Mallesh's ride.
Considering you think Richard Huges is not worthy enough of riding a Derby maybe you could take some time and let us know what all Mallesh did right considering he did nothing wrong at all and the filly was destined to lose.
I am not trying to be rude to you but you seem to have missed the point regarding the public sentiment.
People are not just feeling bad that Set Alight lost. People are feeling bad that she got done in in a race she could have won because of a poor ride.
Is not that why people choose particular jockeys for big races? Is that not why we have foreign riders flying down every season and owners clamouring for them to ride their horses?
For a top jockey who has ridden the filly before should not have Mallesh been able to give a better ride?
We seek yet another article. This time not just blaming the filly but being more objective.
We all remeber Mystical losing. A horse with nearly as much hype as Set Alight. Nobody blamed Prakash. And nobody balmed Nail for his ride on Holding COurt who ran second either.
Punters did not speak through their pockets then oe the year later when another fav lost. Why should pockets talk only this year and why should Mallesh suddenly find so many friends amongst jockeys and the press?
ANTONOIS was a better horse on that day . you can not blame Mallesh or Set Alight for the lose . Punters can only speak after the race and
ReplyDeleteblame either the trainer or jockey.
ridiculous to compare 6f timings in a 12f race - blatant expression of ignorance.
ReplyDeleteall his sectional timing quoted is total nonsense. logical fact is that no horse can sustain a stretch run of 600+ meters as m. narredu demanded of set alight – besides making a mess of the race from the word “go”. it is a credit to the filly that she even finished 2nd after the jockey rode her into the ground.
it is a shame that the handling of a true champion - or rather mis-handling of by a "top jockey" who lacks brains and big race temperament that is in question – nothing else. narredu made a mess of the race – plain and simple
being charitable, one can only say that narredu rode an injudicious race [for which he was actually fined rs.10,000]. frankly, he rode the filly into the ground and cost her a certain race.
Set Alight covered the 600m to 200m in 22 seconds. any horse who can do the last quarter of a race in under 24 seconds is a very, very good horse. no Indian horse has done it in less than 23 seconds at the end of a Derby.
Set Alight beat Icebreaker by 2 1/2 lengths in the 1000 and Dancing Dynamite by 4 lengths in the ruia - in the Derby Set Alight beat Icebreaker by 1 1/2 lengths and Dancing Dynamite by 3 lengths. exact deterioration of one length – obvious - Set Alight was a spent force in the last 100m if not 200m.
had Set Alight been ridden by a "proper" jockey she would have won comfortably by 5L - why the connections did not put up a better jockey is questionable.
according to Mallya's racing manager he had repeatedly told narredu to wait until the last furlong – narredu effectively "mis-judged" the furlong markers and blew up the filly one furlong earlier !
net net the fact remains that m. narredu cost Set Alight and the Indian racing public
as this is your blog mr. gosavi and you have little else to do you will no doubt respond with more nonsense & jargon & involve your friends of ill repute such as srinath but I rest my case
Now here are some questions from the common race public to Mr Pesi Sheroff?
ReplyDelete1) On THE RAMNIWAS RAMNARAIN RUIA GOLD CUP - Sea Princess was the pace maker of Set Alight who had done her duty perfectly that day. She being from the Mallya Stable why Pesi dont use her on the derby day as a pace maker?
2) What was the reason to give so much work to Set Alight before the Dery?
3) Why N G Mccullagh who had recent success with Set Alight refused to ride her on the Derby Day?
4) On the derby day why Telstar the pacemaker of Set Alight was ridden by a non regular jockey of Pesi?
5) Why the saddle of the pace maker slipped on the derby race and you got a fine of Rs 3000/- for that ?
One more request Mr Prakash Gosavi can you write on my message board.
One appeal and two rejoinders:
ReplyDeleteThe major problem with Anonymous postings is that if there are too many, it's difficult to address to a particular poster accurately in reply.
While I respect their desire to remain anonymous, I request this tribe of anonymous posters to choose the Name/URL option while submitting a post, put a fictitious name (but not the name of any existing racing personality), leave the URL box blank, and submit the post. So that in case someone wants to respond to their post, he or she can address the reply accurately to them.
For example, I have now trouble replying two posters--one mildly irritated and complaining, the other outright angry and accusing--but both have posted as Anonymous.
The mildly irritated Mr Anonymous, in his quote, says: "A very long explanation Mr.Gosavi on how Set Alight might have lost if the race is analysed properly. Now what we need is probably someone to do a similar insightful and detailed analysis on Mallesh's ride."
My response: What is this long article about if not about Malesh's riding of Set Alight in the Derby?
The angry and accusing Mr Anonymous who blasts me for being ridiculous, ignorant and nonsensical, describes himself as "charitable", claims 'Mallya's racing manager had repeatedly told Narredu to wait until the last furlong', and says Set Alight should have won by 5L with a "proper" jockey but lost because under Narredu, "she covered the 600m to 200m in 22 seconds".
Since all the rest, except the last sentence about the timing, is either his angry outburst or "unsubstantiated" private & confidential information, it is no concern of mine.
But the last (covered the 600m to 200m in 22 seconds) is a blatantly shameless attempt to distort the facts (she took 23.52 seconds) to suit his agenda, and therefore, despicable.
Mr.Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteI will no more remain anonymous. But i remain still 'mildly irritated".
You maintain that the long article is not about Mallesh at all. It is about how the pace of the race was wrong ( if there can be such a thing as it was the same for all horses) and how Set Alight could not stay. Which you have tried to prove with her splits.
Maybe you did not get the gist of what I was saying. What you have done is to prove Set Alight should not have won.
What i am asking is, what was Mallesh doing on the filly through the race?
Did he ride her to the best of her advantage?
Was that the way to ride a filly like her in the race?
Did he ride to instructions?
As a senior professional did he make the right judgment calls?
Seeing the ride did he not clearly panic towards the end?
Did he not "go" too early even though he found himslef in front?
You and Y.S.Srinath (of all people)defend him but Mallesh himself is saying he made an error of judgment!!
Maybe if you answer these questions and go further down the road with explanations skeptics like me will cross the road to your side of the road.
Dear 'mildly irritated',
ReplyDeleteEven now you say that "You maintain that the article is not about Malesh at all"?
Why?
Please carefully read again what I said in my comment.
My response was: What is this long article about IF NOT about Malesh's riding of Set Alight in the Derby?
Does that NOT mean it was only about Malesh's riding of Set Alight in the Derby and nothing else?
I think maybe you scanned the sentence perhaps in a hurry and arrived at the exact opposite conclusion. I hope it is clear now.
Anyway, coming back to you other points, all who blamed the jockey were unanimous that Set Alight could not sustain the effort in the final furlong because she was rushed too fast from the word go, and because the jockey made his move in too early to grab the lead between 800 & 600m posts.
When both these arguments are checked against the pace scenario that unfolded in the race, they do not hold much water, do they?
The decoding of pace showed it was too slow for a race like the Derby, and Set Alight didn't travel at rocket speed (12.62 sec for 200m is way too ordinary on the current Mahalaxmi track) when she assumed command at 600m.
Set Alight definitely did not have fuel in the tank in the last furlong, but it was not because the jockey exhausted it. The reason could be related to either her health or stamina, or both.
And yes, if you want to know my personal opinion about Malesh's ride, I will repeat what I said in the article: "Any student of pace handicapping will tell you that the right thing for the jockey to do in a very slow pace is either to be as close to the pace as possible, or get into striking position before the race takes a serious turn. It is ironical Narredu is being crucified for doing precisely that."
I think that takes care of all the questions you have raised, except three, namely:
Did he ride to instructions? (Only Shroff knows)
Seeing the ride did he not clearly panic towards the end? (Only God knows).
Actually, along with Shroff and God, even Malesh must know true answers to these two questions, but since he is the last person everyone wants to believe, I have mentioned only Shroff and God as possible sources.
About your comment, "You and Y.S.Srinath (of all people)defend him but Mallesh himself is saying he made an error of judgment!!", I can only say that even if he had REALLY said it, it would still be HIS opinion; and it does not necessarily have to be my opinion--or yours, for that matter.
I am using the word "REALLY" because I am given to understand that he never said it, and he has taken up the matter with the Hindustan Times for misreporting.
Prakash
ReplyDeletethe more I think about your pt of view, the more I am getting convinced you are right. Thanks for putting the whole thing in a very sensible perspective.
Another thing, people just love to hate Narredu and they are overdoing their bit perhaps because they don't want to face reality that there could be fitness or stamina problem with their star horse.
You sure changed my perspective.
S Patkar, Chowpatty, Mumbai
I saw teh race more than 10 times n can defintely say SA tired. She's not a stayer by any means.
ReplyDeleteDear Mr.Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all thanks for your patience in replying to all my mails.
This is in regard to your last reply to me.
While you have attempted once again to explain your view on some of the points I raised
your response to my other three is perplexing and seem to want to prevent what you don't want to hear
1)You say that only Pesi Shroff knows if Mallesh followed instructions.As a journalist of so many years standing could you not call him and confirm that?
I say this because we all know Pesi is clearly unhappy with his ride. So there is more than a fair chance that Mallesh has not ridden to instructions.
Your not doing so leaves the door open to your minds door being closed to any other possibility because of your split timing theory.
2)You say only God knows if he panicked? Is that not convenient? once again as a racing journalist of many years experience can you not look at a video of the race and see if the ride looked like he may have panicked ?
3) This is the wildest!!! You say that even if Mallesh said that he had made an error of judgment you are saying that he did not and so he did not!!!!
Mr.Gosavi are you really saying this?
You go on to add that Mallesh is retracting his statement. Well then maybe you can also tell us if Y.S. Srinath is also retracting his statement in on your blog as they both said exactly the same thing.
Mr.Gosavi Only God knows why you are defending this horrendous ride with such a painstaking defense.
The jockey rode a bad race.He said sorry.The matter would have ended.
Then Y.S.Srinath jumps to his defence and you publish it.
Next you defend Mallesh.
And hundreds of people write in. More and more know of what Mallesh might have done.
He deserves it.
The racing public and the owners deserve better.
Dear Mildly Irritated,
ReplyDelete'As a journalist of many years' standing' (your words) I also know that after a great race like the Derby, one must focus and talk of the deserving winner and his story, than talk about the fairly and squarely beaten loser. One doesn't go around taking quotes from runner up (when there is nothing to investigate) especially in their moment of disappointment.
I have one of the best softwares (which I have for taking the split timings without any camera angle aberration, but even in that I could not "see" the expressions on fear on Narredu's face. You must have put the film under a microscope with magnification of 100,000 to 1, that's why only you could see that expression.
By your unending stream of questioning for questions' sake, you come across as a man who wants to find out if the black spot in the dimple on the pimple of a cheek of an ant's newborn is actually a hole or just a speck of dust.
You are welcome to your curiosity, but henceforth please don't take MY time granted for it.
I can't stop laughing sir, what a sense of imagination.
ReplyDeleteDimple on a pimple of the cheek of an ant's newborn? Height of minuteness really.
Btw he was really behaving like that, good you put him in place.
Dear Prakash,
ReplyDeleteConsidering Pesi's comments in the Hinustan Times today i think your comments on Mr.Mildly Irritating's (I deliberately mis spelt that) post seem a little misplaced.
Pesi has claimed that Mallesh has apologized to him for the way he rode Set Alight.
Once the jockey analogizes that means even he knows he rode a poor race.
Then why the defence? The culprit has admitted his crime!!!
Dear Mr.Gosavi,
ReplyDeleteIts your blog you may chose not to answer.But the fact of the matter is that you have not replied to any of the points made.
You have instead tried to brush me off and instead of trying to understand my point resorted to humor and word play. Once again your blog your choice.
But in the largeness of your character do put up this posting of mine to let people know that there are some of us (however irritating) who are not convinced by your logic. And whose questions you could not or chose not to answer (maybe the questions were too stupid as you suggest)
That will truly make your blog different from indiarace and racingpulse where you have to be a yes man to be heard.
You have an nice blog. You have a nice sense of word play and you have a nice set of blinkers which you wear when you write. No Mr,Gosavi my set of blinkers is not better than yours )))
there is n'thing in H times, i chkd 2days n yesterdays. Are u sure?
ReplyDeleteVk
Mr mildly irritated, I owe you an explanation.
ReplyDeleteMy moderator has been told to NOT to hold back any comment publication unless it has abusing language or personal attack against anyone other than me. You must have noticed some comments that were moderated (words or sentences deleted) but anything that was personal (but topical) against me has always been published without any censorship.
However, this particular comment of yours timed 12.20 pm did not go to the destination mail that the moderator has access to, but instead I found it on my blogger dashboard just now when I logged in. I am not exactly a technical man and I don't know why it should have happened.
But I thought I owed you an explanation for the delay in putting it up. Sorry for that.
Prakash
Dear Vk,
ReplyDeleteMy error.The posting is in todays Mumbai Mirror. Usman Rangeela has quoted Pesi after speaking to him.
Dear Not so irritating,
ReplyDeleteI checked Hindustan Times, but couldn't find the article.
Anyway, I have made clear this is my reading of the race, and the ride Narredu gave Set Alight. In my opinion, that ride had zero hand in Set Algiht's loss, and I gave data to support that opinion.
You can either take it or leave it, but accusing me of having an agenda to "defend" Malesh Narredu, I think, would be unfair.
Whether Malesh thinks he rode a bad race or he accepts his mistake to Pesi has nothing to do with how I should view the race, my approach is forensic and I rely only on data.
As far as Mildly Irritating is concerned, my only grouse was that he appeared willing to accept my answers only if they conformed to his belief. That's not acceptable to me, so I decided to save my time.
My view is that Prakash Gosavi is right. What I want to add is my analysis of Set Alight's pedigree on the distaff side. The tail female line is too precocious if one goes by the CD figures. Remember this is the same line that gave us Tantrik and My Friend Paul who are front runners that barely make it to 16oo m.I think that Set Alight cannot stay and that the best that she can get is 2200m. I do not know why Pesi worked her so much. As her trainer, he knows best but i am willing to commit myself to the prediction that Set Alight will not win over 2400 m+ even if she is kept off the pace and by that I mean the Invitation Cup may be won once again by some other horse.
ReplyDeleteDear Sameera,
ReplyDeleteAlthough only time will tell if the real reason for Set Alight's loss was health or stamina, personally I feel it had more to do with her health on health on that particluar day than her stamina.
A well written article but I have a point to make.The first 1200M in the 2400M race includes running the first 400m round the bend hence the timing will definitely be slow.In case of a 1200M race there is only one bend at about the 600M marker.Also I would like to submit that the pace of a 2400M race will be definitely much slower than a sprint.
ReplyDeleteAutonms, similar point was raisd by blogger Shyam above. Pl see my reply to him.
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